national planning hacked??

keta ho..

sth. wrong with our "national planning commission"(राष्ट्रिययोजना).
Seriously look at the link, but beware:
http://www.npc.gov.np/index.htm

The source of this link is at the right bottom at:
http://www.nepalgov.gov.np/

In fact, I sent an email to whatever contact was at the site several
weeks ago. I was hoping that they would amend it asap. But it
seems like nobody gives a rat's ass. Nevertheless, I thought I must
at least raise awareness about whats going on.

Further emails.. wobblyworm & MMS

Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:43:14
From: WOBBLYWORM
Subject: yet another attempt

Hi everybody,
I am going to give yet another attempt at solidarity and awareness. And there is one reason for this: I strongly believe in it. As I previously mentioned in the seed discussion for this solidarity
movement, the lack of both results in the hunger that MMS has so vividly described. Peace is a particularly poignant need because it entails not only lack of violence, but also opportunity for freedom, not only an easy comfortable life, but also peace of mind that our children and their children's children will have a better life than ours.

The "awareness campaign" as MMS rightly calls it, IS NOT a medicine, but the willpower which enables us to decide that we need to do something to prevent a possible disease. Yes, the possibilistic nature of my proposition renders these seemingly abstract thoughts difficult comprehend, but whoever said that anything can be achieved without effort? If you ask me, if it gives you a headache, take an aspirin and think about it. Yes.. I think its that important. Of
course its easier to let the doctor prescribe medicine and just swallow everything given to us. And maybe thats ok, but my contention is that it does not hurt to know a little about the effects of the medicine, and how our children can avoid the same disease.

Who are we and what will make our lives better is up to each of us to decide, not for anyone else to dictate to us: by threats, by enticements, by hidden negotiations, or by weakening our solidarity.

This "awareness & solidarity campaign" is targetted towards each and every Nepali. The example of the ongoing struggle has been used to strengthen my point on the need for solidarity and awareness. Such struggles will come and go, but the need for solidarity and awareness
will always remain.

I earnestly as you all, as friends, countrymen, and simply Nepali intellectuals, to think what can be achieved by possibly destroying and rebuilding a house just because our neighbour does not like the roof.

Thats all folks.
WOBBLYWORM

MMS wrote:
> Hi WOBBLYWORM,
>
> This email is an attempt to explain some fallacies in your endeavors of
> spreading light on the political changes in Nepal and in the end to give you
> some clues that may help overcome those weaknesses.
>
> Being aware sometimes is like aggreeing to have a headache. People in Nepal
> are hungry: some in the literal sense, some for opportunities, some for
> money. Yet all Nepalese here have been suffering one common hunger: the
> hunger for peace. What you are suggesting through this email broadcast is
> that this peace might be an illusion or worse that it is a trap, may be a
> conspiracy or in the worst scenario a prelude to anarchy like in Congo or
> Iraq. There might be some truth to one or more of those possibilities, but
> your awareness campaign is like a medicine for a disease before any symptoms
> have shown up. Just the sight of such a medicine gives the sick, now cured,
> even if temporarily, person a headache. Now who wants a headache?
> But if a headache can save one from a lifethreatening cancer or viral
> disease, why not. But we dont' know whether this peace is true or not, do we?
>
> It is possible that you know some things that I don't. The only suggestion
> I can give is that you should present it in a way that is acceptacle to the
> people. Unless people accept they will not listen. Unless people like your
> work they will not participate.
>
> Paticipation is what all champions of awareness like you want. But it is
> the hardest thing to get. Try getting a class of students participate
> during a lecture. It is tough. They will revolt, they will shout in the
> streets, break infrastructure, but they find it hard to participate and
> break their ignorance.
>
> If you state the first part of your mission to seek participation, then the
> content, presentation and effect of your writings will dramatically differ
> leading you towards the attainment of your goal of spreading awareness.
>
> MMS
>
>
> >From: WOBBLYWORM
> >Subject: Re: Tennis of Thoughts
> >Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 02:12:56
> >
> >Dear MMS,
> >
> >Yes I know your intent and that is why I agreed with most of what you
> >said. But you did say that my writing reflects that I am out of
> >reality, and therefore, my comment. But it does not mean I am
> >offended, not at all. I hope none of us get offended by anything that
> >goes on around because we are discussing issues for Nepal, not
> >dissecting each other as we might have done at times. So thats that.
> >
> >And yes, its all a game after all between politicians, king and
> >mauists. But even games have realities and strategies and
> >consequences. Nobody likes to be on the side that loses. So we do
> >what we do, what we have to do. But in doing so, as long as we are
> >playing the ball and hitting and getting hit, its fine. The problem
> >arises when we become the ball. And that is the situation we have to
> >avoid, because without awareness, thats what we the people are,
> >tennis balls. Why should the masses become tennis balls when in fact
> >it is the masses that must be the players?
> >
> >I refuse to believe that we are not judges. We are judges, however
> >big or small, we are judges by nature. And perhaps that is why we are
> >smarter than animals who have to resort to muscle and violence. I
> >like to believe that however insignificant I may be, my judgement
> >counts. And thus, if we are right to judge, we must do so based on
> >evidences. I am no law scholar, but I know of no other way to judge
> >than by the most obvious evidences. Or perhaps I misunderstood?
> >
> >C'mon guys, write up. Like MMS said, its just another game. But
> >its also another opportunity to clarify our thoughts and ideals. So,
> >do speak up.
> >
> >Oh.. and before I stop, I was reading up on the democratic republic
> >of Congo. Well they have democracy and they are republic. And
> >according to Time Magazine, they have the deadlist war in the world
> >today.. war between its own army and rebel forces. There is reason to
> >fear the worst in Nepal too and everything might not be fine and
> >dandy as we prefer to believe. From your previous email, it shows
> >that you have interpreted my emails with precision, but I cannot
> >understand why it is difficult to convince you guys that awareness is
> >more important, solidarity between masses is more important, than the
> >ongoing struggle between the three conflicting apexes (king,
> >politicians, mauists).
> >
> >Thats all folks.
> >WOBBLYWORM.
> >
> >MMS wrote:
> >
> > > Hi WOBBLYWORM,
> > >
> > > My criticism was not directed to you. It was directed to your writing. I
> > > did not say that "you are out of touch of reality" instead I said that "your
> > > writing reflects that you are out of touch of reality." It is easier to
> > > judge someone based on the most obvious evidences, but it is a poor way.
> > > Besides we are no judges, but people playing the "tennis of thoughts". Just
> > > because the ball ends up hitting us, we shouldn't say that the other player
> > > was aiming at us.
> > >
> > > If you are playing then I am also playing. Smiles. After all it is all but a game!!
> > >
> > > MMS.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: WOBBLYWORM
> > > >Subject: Re: Wow
> > > >Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 09:26:52
> > > >
> > > >Dear MMS,
> > > >
> > > >Well, I appreciate your response despite your busy schedules. (I have
> > > >not sent this email to those that have not responded to three threads
> > > >of discussions because I feel we should not impose our discussions of
> > > >people who do not want to share.)
> > > >
> > > >Yes, our perspectives definitely differ. I understand my perpective
> > > >very well and can read the "other perspective" interestingly well.
> > > >The only difference in our perspective is our frame of reference, of
> > > >which I have already written previously. The differences do not
> > > >bother me.
> > > >
> > > >There is not much in your email that elicits response from me because
> > > >I agree with what you say, other than being out of touch of reality.
> > > >I dare say that I can tell you more about the whole of Nepal
> > > >situation (as opposed to Kathmandu) than most people in Kathmandu
> > > can do. Nevertheless, in spite of the big talk, the reality is small..
> > > of basic needs of Nepalis.. probably nothing more. It is for that
> > > reason that I say awareness is important... to let the people know that
> > > they have the right to choose.
> > > >
> > > >With best wishes,
> > > >WOBBLYWORM.
> > > >
> > > >--- MMS wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi WOBBLYWORM and SRR,
> > > > >
> > > > > I finally had the time to sit down and read this email. I hated what
> > > > > WOBBLYWORM had written: it made my body hair raise. But reading
> > > > > SRR's reply just was so right: I felt so right. Here is finally an
> > > > > accurate perspective of the post-jana-andolan.
> > > > >
> > > > > WOBBLYWORM's writing reflects how out of touch of the reality of
> > > > > life in Nepal he is. It is sad, but more than that it is infuriating!
> > > > >
> > > > > SRR's writing reflects an acceptance of the forces of change.
> > > > > It is soothing, it is cooling.
> > > > >
> > > > > MMS

Wobblyworm retorts back

Dear SRR,

You have done a wonderful job. Thank you. Its wonderful.. optimism, pessimism, hope, despair, conflict.. all in one beautiful package.

My comments (bottom-up):
1. "son" not ready to take on freedom from "father"
Well, SRR, this is the gist of my feelings. I feel that children who are not mature should have the right to live under father. When the son matures, he definitely knows that its time to take up responsibilities of life and support the family, possibly the father also. Each of the children must have this gut feeling of "responsibility" before we can survive freedom. My contention is that we can have democracy under the father also. Again, I reiterate, the father is not the enemy. Its the immaturity (lack of awareness, of conscious decision)of the child that is the problem.

2. Life is full of conflicts. It is the armed struggle of the mauists that have brought us the cherished revolution.. and yet we blame Prachanda for the atrocities committed. The charisma of Girija and his amiability has brought together a disparate people and yet we call him incompetent. We all know why that happens: its human nature to be full of conflicts, only the degree may vary. The reality does not change, but perceptions do. The important thing is the idea.. of democracy, of freedom of choice, of freedom from fear. These are the very desires that are deep inside every person and which drive in seemingly conflicting ways, of thoughts and actions. Its easy to make judgements on other people and say he did this right and he did this wrong, but it is difficult to do the right thing for ourselves. The point I am making is that like MMS said, perceptions are dependent on the frame of reference. But as an "aware" people, we must remember that its not one person that is important.. not Prachanda, not Girija.. nor any other individual person. We must realize that as "intellectuals" we must understand ourselves, and help our compatriots understand themselves and help them deal with conflicts. This will create solidarity and awareness among the people and give light and direction to our otherwise ignorant and oblivious ways.

3. Democracy is the way to go.
There is no doubt. In earlier discussions, I have mentioned that it is the freedom of choice. But again, it is useful in situations when choices are made consciously. Otherwise it does not deliver its purpose. Therefore, our mission should be to empower each individual to make a conscious choice if (s)he so wishes to make a choice. Only then the true "voice of the people" will be heard. Many people profess about the correctness of the direction of the current movement against the king. But again, I ask has the movement brought any change to our lives? hell no.. we live in the same fear.. same lack of choices.. a pessimist would say: man.. have we jumped from the pan into the fire. an optimist would say: shit man.. but lets evaluate our options. For now, I think our best move would be to create a solidarity of "aware" people. Awareness because we choose what we want, and, solidarity because it sustains our identity at various levels that I discussed in the seed discussions for the solidarity.

4. I have hope for our country.
As individuals, I have tremendous respect for Girija, for the King Gyanendra as well as for the mauist leaders. Maybe each one of them is right in his own frame of reference, but I do not believe they are contributing to the upliftment of Nepalese in terms of political ideology and democracy in general. Only by creating an atmosphere of peace and letting the people know their choices and giving them the freedom of choice (or not to choose for that matter) will they satisfy my aspirations for our country. After these requirements are fulfilled, going with the Olympics motto.. "may the best man win" should be the new motto of the democratic political system. And I believe it can come around sooner than in India. Why wait 50 years when we can start right now? According to the July 2006 estimates there are 28+ million Nepalese and if we were to bring awareness to each individual at the rate of one person per minute, it would take us 106+ years, not counting the population growth. But if we have exponential growth as MMS once explained to us, we can accomplish the feat in 25 minutes. Its amazing isn't it?

Guys, I appeal to you to at least think about 2 things:
need for solidarity
bringing awareness to ourselves and to our compatriots.

We, the people, are in no state to tackle the trio (politicians, mauists and king) if we do not have both awareness and solidarity.

Thats all folks. WOBBLYWORM.

aba SRR pani heated..

Please forgive my intrusive way of replying; I shall be commenting over WOBBLYWORM's "feelings" where ever appropriate. Please read through.

On 18/05/06, WOBBLYWORM wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Continuing with my previous argument that the so called Andolan II
> will cause greater disparity among the masses because only the king
> has been victimized when in fact the politicians and the mauists
> should also have been controlled by an "aware" people.

True.

> Girija and his team have done a good job with taking the powers of
> the King.

I can see happiness in your heart, finally, out of your so called "pessimistic" views. Your heart feels lighter, perhaps you see a slimmer of hope in this act, a promise, however small but a promise after all.


> … Does it really represent the people's voice? is the
> question now. And the answer to this question will determine the
> degree to which the people will be segregated into hard-lined
> factions.


We have always had questions. And we should never stop questioning. The act of questioning is more important than ever because we have had a "krantee" here in this place, something, nobody thought would arrive so soon.

The views WILL be polemic in nature, for sure. The happiness and the sense of "victory" in people here is so great that they will not listen to anything. (Even the engineering schools here in RANIBAN {alias} are doing a "hartal" for the past few days. They say, "if they threw away the king, why can't we get our demands fulfilled"!!) But I think, in time, they will understand because I believe, with every single day, people, ordinary, mundane people are growing, developing and getting
more knowledgeable by the day.

Thus we should take the arising polemical views in the Neplis of today to be a natural phenomenon.

>
> With a pessimistic outlook, I hope that the "people" will realize the
> deeper chaos they are in. The current HoR proclamations have stripped
> of the power from the King, but as we all know, power cannot just
> disappear.. it has to belong to somebody and who is that somebody?

Now, this is a beautiful statement in its purity. Yes, very true. Power has to "belong" to somebody and as I was watching the feed on TV while the historic proclamation was being read out, I was thinking exactly the same. "Who on earth is accountable to this country now that sole power rests with a bunch of (203?) MPs?" Well, I too felt vacant for a moment but then on hind sight, if we do not allow power to HoR then WHO else? Its a choice Sau, I think. It's a choice and
they have decided well.

Also, perhaps true accountability rests with no one in times like these that these times are called, "periods of transition".. Hmm.. I am now getting to learn and see for myself, what exactly a
"sankramankaal" is.

> ... right, the politicians. some might even say that the "people"
> have jumped from a frying pan into the fire. Now the prolbem is who
> will control the politicians and Mauists? Is there any device that
> will aid the masses to control them? Civil war will be the worse
> curse for Nepal... God forbid.

:) You are thinking well ahead, and like a think tank perhaps.

I might agree with the first statement that people might have jumped onto fire from a pan. Time will tell. I don't want to bet or believe in it right now. Optimistic moron I am!

I don't much worry about the politicians. Girija Prasad Koirala, the same incompetent one who has had an important role in turning the previous "Democracy" imbecile stood by all the pressure in these very volatile times and went on ahead with the people's wishes; I think this enough shows that the guy has changed and if we paint a picture using GP's brushes, we could perhaps obtain a "harabhara" picture of Nepal if not a changed scenario. (The king touched GP's hands with a smile when GP went to the palace to take pm's oath. Contrary to the king's expressions, GP had a vacant, pale face, his face showed he promised nothing. One could just imagine how much of royal/royal affiliated pressure there must have been given to GP during these weeks before yesterday's proclamation.)

However, ordinary "byaparis" and some industrialists are fearful of the Maoists. The casual businessman feels that the softness with which the parties are giving in to the Maoists might titillate the Maoists to disrupt the new found Loktantra. Its amazing how much fear they have of the Maoists....(perhaps, its relevant too because they have paid up lakhs and lakhs of rupees in extortion money to the Maoists in broad daylight). Yes, Maoists COULD be a problem and they pose a REAL threat and the only way this threat can be lessened is to disarm them as soon as possible and involve their "cadres" in something meaningfully civilian.

Another important thing with the Maoists that we have to agree and be knowledgeable about is that their lifestyle of living in extortion money and on the tip of their gun is not going to die off just like that. It will take time. Perhaps years. And we shall have to live by with this threat till then. (A few days after loktantra was established, the Maoist affiliated students in nearby Prithvi Narayan
Campus, asked us to "donate" COSTUMES {alias} for their new office. We did comply. What was to note was that the tone of their speech was the same as usual. It was the same tone they used when they asked us (extortion) money and now. But the remarkable thing was this time, they gave a LOGIC as to why they wanted a contact office and why we had to "contribute". ha.ha..) Things are changing for sure, but slowly, so slowly that some might feel that the path of change is going nowhere. But these are very testing times. For all of us. We HAVE no choice of faltering. We have to prevail. With optimism.

> On an optimistic note, yes, these steps are in the direction towards
> a mature democracy. But even then, we have to remember that the
> countries in which democracy has sustained is where resources are
> plentiful and people can afford the time and energy to learn and
> improve.

I do not agree with the first one. Economists say and is proven too that the economy of a country CAN prosper even where political situation is far from democratic values. China is a brilliant example. The military junta run Burma too has not a bad economy. Saudi Arabia, even Iran are fine though. But it definitely helps to have a democratic system. :)

Secondly, even where countries have had huge resources, democracy has not been able to spread its wings. A brilliant example is Nigeria sitting on a notable percentage of oil and gas but is one of the poorest countries in the world. Japan you know has no natural resources at all. It buys raw materials, adds value and sends it back.

Thirdly, don't forget that those who call themselves truly democratic states today went through a definite period of tumult and pain.

And fourth, India is starting to reap benefits only after fifty years of independence and practice of democracy.

The point is, its hard and long way ahead but we are getting there, yes we are and definitely.

> … But in countries where people are "unaware" and lack
> resources, it might be difficult to mature with only democracy at our
> disposal. We need more than just democracy.. we need sanskar to help
> us persevere through the growing pains..


:) Very true. THIS (lack of sanskar in us) shall be a sizeable threat. And it is one of those things that take a lot of time to be inculcated.

> … and its sad that we have
> just sacrificed it.


Perhaps you are pointing to the fact that king has been done away with. I disagree. I will put an example here. Only-sons are helped and caressed at every painful turns in life by their fathers to the point that the sons don't know how to fight. Someday, that dad has to go away. That morning, the son finds himself incapable of doing even daily chores on his own.

We talk about freedom all the time and we do not let ourselves free. Royalty was perhaps the father of the only son (Nepali People) and I am simply, plainly glad that the dad has been realised of his "fatal love" to his only child. I am happy to have that freedom back. Whatever happens next shall all be mine. Good or bad. And this feeling of having got my freedom to myself is exhilarating even though I know I am faraway for sustainability in the short term. SHORT TERM only. NOT long term and NOT slavery forever. ( His love is slavery, was, all the time.)





> … Therefore awareness should be our agenda.. to be
> aware ourselves and help our compatriots understand. Let awareness be
> the mission.

True. We should. This is the only medicine that we need to take with no restrictions with regards to its dosage!


>
> Also something to think about is whether the king will simmer down
> quietly or come back with a vengeance. Who knows. But deep inside I
> am hoping that the so called "peoples' voice" that ousted the king
> from power will bring him back to respectability, not because the
> King deserves it, but because the people deserve to maintain a sense
> of culture, to preserve solidarity.

:) The king won't come back now. Its ended for good. The humiliation the king of such high ambitions has inflicted upon himself is too deep and bothersome for him to revive himself now for the rest of his life. Hey, do you see the implication of his having been stripped off his powers by the people, the same people that his dynasty took "care" of for hundreds of years? Do you see that his entire existence has been reduced but to rubble? Do you see that even Prithvi Narayan Shah has been put to shame? Do you see the extreme ambitions of this poor king when contrasted with all the shahs that ruled us? And now, can you imagine the pain of accountability that seeks answers from the only man living? Can you feel how much of pain this man must be undergoing right now? And do you now think he will ever come out, with healed wounds?

Its not over yet, Wait. All the shahs are waiting up there for him. Once he arrives, they shall have a constituent assembly right there and agree to mangle his hair for what he did back "there".


>
> May Pashupatinath be with the people.

I hope you are not trying to be the next king! ha.ha..

SRR


> Thats all folks,
> WOBBLYWORM.

Wobblyworm heats up After HoR reinstatement

Dear all,

Continuing with my previous argument that the so called Andolan II will cause greater disparity among the masses because only the king has been victimized when in fact the politicians and the mauists should also have been controlled by an "aware" people.

Girija and his team have done a good job with taking the powers of the King. Does it really represent the people's voice? is the question now. And the answer to this question will determine the degree to which the people will be segregated into hard-lined factions.

With a pessimistic outlook, I hope that the "people" will realize the deeper chaos they are in. The current HoR proclamations have stripped of the power from the King, but as we all know, power cannot just disappear.. it has to belong to somebody and who is that somebody? ... right, the politicians. some might even say that the "people" have jumped from a frying pan into the fire. Now the prolbem is who will control the politicians and Mauists? Is there any device that will aid the masses to control them? Civil war will be the worse curse for Nepal... God forbid.

On an optimistic note, yes, these steps are in the direction towards a mature democracy. But even then, we have to remember that the countries in which democracy has sustained is where resources are plentiful and people can afford the time and energy to learn and improve. But in countries where people are "unaware" and lack resources, it might be difficult to mature with only democracy at our disposal. We need more than just democracy.. we need sanskar to help
us persevere through the growing pains.. and its sad that we have just sacrificed it. Therefore awareness should be our agenda.. to be aware ourselves and help our compatriots understand. Let awareness be the mission.

Also something to think about is whether the king will simmer down quietly or come back with a vengeance. Who knows. But deep inside I am hoping that the so called "peoples' voice" that ousted the king from power will bring him back to respectability, not because the King deserves it, but because the people deserve to maintain a sense of culture, to preserve solidarity.

May Pashupatinath be with the people.

Thats all folks, WOBBLYWORM

Starting of People's Movement against King

Here is another series of emails:

*** May 4, 2006 Thursday

Guys... time for another awakening.

I am not boasting.. well I guess I am.. but its true that we saw the revolution coming long before it came.. or what? My call for the solidarity movement was a precedent to whatever has been going on... ;) ok.. enough of the conceited BS.

instead of wasting you guys ko time.. i'll get down to the crux of the matter.. well, solidarity and all is a good thing.. but things did not go according to our agenda.. the first step as awareness.. and I doubt if it really happenned.. I am sad that people thought of the King as the enemy.. when he one of the mere players in Krishna's all-pervading leela. A king, whoever he is, whatever he did, is new on the throne and did what he thought was best for the country. I honestly believe in the sinceretity of his good intentions in getting involved in the political imbroglio. But no.. the f@#$ing politicians twisted facts and cheated the masses and raised them against the King... a king whose birth right gives him the right to do whatever he did, or whatever people think he did. How can the masses punish a lion for killing the gazelle?? c'mon people.. we need to wake up.. the politicians are the enemy.. manipulating people and misleading the masses. this is my take on the whole damned thing.. I hope you guys will think on it.

one more thing.. its important.. so perk up... I am also afraid that the tragedy of Mahabharata will be repeated.. if you think about it.. whats the real tragedy of Mahabharata? its that king Bharata wanted his son to be his successor instead of the most suitable one. Got it? NO.. I am not talking of Gyanendra and Paras.. I am talking of the Indira Gandhi legacy in India... yeah.. right.. I am afraid of the Koirala legacy in Kathmandu.. people.. people.. people.. wake up... Girija is the prime minister now.. ok.. he has earned it.. and he deserves it.. but his son, grandson, nephew, his daughter, his niece should not assume a leadership position without deserving it. that is my take on it.. if history is reapeated, the people will be the ones to suffer.. so let us wake up.. and let us wake up the people on whose hands the finan decision rests..

thats all folks. think about it.
WOBBLYWORM.



*** May 5, 2006 Friday

This is great MMS. Thank you for your views.

To come back to the discussion on "change".. well it has surprized me too. People have changed as a mass, right? I am yet to understand this phenomenon, because in fact, if you observe the individual, not much has changed. this is my contention. Also, as you mentioned at the end of your email about frames, which I call frame of reference, the perception of change depends on it. It all depends on which frame you are looking through. But again, yes, something has definitely changed with the Nepali populace, but what is that change? C'mon BRS, give it a go.

But again, change is not the issue I raised. It is universal and evident. But "why this change" is my question. Also, my assertion is that the King is not the enemy of democracy and that we need a king, in whatever shape or form. My assertion is that politicians are responsible for the 13+ years of turmoil, not the king. And this is the fact that has been twisted by politicians.

Now, mauist is another issue and it has mystified me more than ever. Who are they, what do they want, is the question nobody has been able to answer as of yet. And an answer to this question would simplify things a lot for everybody. But no.. its more convenient to keep the definition in a mask so that the miscreants may make use of it when they want and how they want. Someone quite appropriately said.. they are not maubadi.. they are khao-badi..

thats all then folks. guys, please contribute. BRS has never contributed to our discussions. Probably his views would help us clarify things. k ho yasto..

…

WOBBLYWORM.



--- MMS wrote:

> Hi WOBBLYWORM,
>
> Your thought stand out but I must say I cannot agree. No one had to 'twist'
> the kings' face. He did that to himself. Even the politicians are having a
> hard time dealing with the strict demands of the people. Now even the
> maoists are listening to the voice of the people. Somehow reality seems to
> be changing. Something has happened. What exactly? Is hard to say. How
> else do you explain the phenomenon of the revolution: people not caring
> about their lives, businesses forfeiting profits, schools posponing the
> future of children, government employees risking their necks, and the king
> so suddenly letting go within 20 days? May be Nepal is not cursed after
> all.
>
> Realities change. First the world is flat (pre-Columbus), then the earth is
> the centre of the universe (Aristotle), then the earth is part of the solar
> system (Galelio), then gravity pulls everything together (Newton), then time
> becomes a relative quantity and no more an absolute quantity (Einstein),
> then the universe is expanding like a balloon being blown (big bang theory),
> then atoms become waves and light becomes particles (quantum theory).
>
> Realities change. First the sky would fall on the heads of people if they
> were bad (Gaules), the forces of nature are governed by gods (mythology),
> then temperature, pressure, vast quantities of water, tectonic plates,
> control the forces of nature (geography), then human beings also affect
> climates (o-zone layer).
>
> Realities change. Madness is madness (pre-Freud), behind every mental
> disorder is sexual perversion (Freud), free sex is good (hippy movement),
> safe sex is best (post-AIDS).
>
> After all these evidences, we could deduce also that our realities also may
> be subject to change. We need new frames to look at the current occurrences, to explain them, and to predict even the immediate future. It
> seems mad but may be we have no option if we are to strive in these rapidly
> changing times.
>
> We may be talking about sexual attitudes, understanding of the forces of
> nature, and of the universe, as we could about the nature of the population
> of Nepal. I believe some fundamental changes has occured. What do you
> think it is?
>
>
> MMS


*** May 8, 2006 Monday

Dear MMS,

I get your message; plus, I agree with you fully. There is change.. in expectations, and so much else. And what has come around is not surprising in the sense that there was so much chaos and therefore so much opportunity. However, the proceedings of the masses has appalled and baffled me at the same time because non of it has profit-ed the masses. My question is: how does it affect the lives of the people? I cannot fit the movement of the masses in a logical model for the following reasons:
1. who are mauists and what do they want? are they part of the
people's voice?
2. why do people revere Birendra and admonish his brother? they are
of the same blood.
3. how come Girija is the PM when he had nothing to do with the
revolution? is he the people's voice?

Well, the list goes on...

My intent is for understanding and trying to make everybody understand the truth. Most of the time it is more convenient not to understand, but if we are going towards democracy, awareness is the first step. People born into democracy will not appreciate its value as much as those born into slavery or despotism. But we dont want the
masses to suffer. The least we can do is to educate ourselves and thus educate the masses because we are the masses. Just because there is a bigger tide, it does not mean everybody must ride the tide. And isn't that what democracy is about? The freedom of choice? The freedom which says that the bigger fish does not always eat the smaller one. I may have a small voice of awareness and of solidarity, but I strongly believe that the element of choice must be present in every democracy. Democracy is not about the popular vote, otherwise, Al Gore would have been the president.

What I think is that we are thinking as individuals. We must think as the people. What we are now doing is just trying to match our voice with the so-called people's voice. And from the little I know about music, it produces interesting beats, but does not really resonate to the voice of solidarity. On the other hand, when each of us knows
what our own voice and when we can tune our individual voice along with other people's voice, then the voices can resonate and such resonance would be the ideal voice of the people that symbolizes the essence of democracy. Just singing along to the politician's fiddle will not take us anywhere other than drown us in the Lake of Enlightened Sheep. If I may say so myself, we the so-called educated, and, hopefully, intellectual mass, should least of all support the any of the three parties that have plunged our beloved country to
despair. We, the intellectual masses, should take the initiative to educate and inform our less fortunate fellow-citizens about the choices and opportunities that we may have.

I am not in favor of the King, nor the parties, nor the so-called third party.. but I am adamantly in favor of the people's betterment. i am adamantly for the awareness of the people, and hope that in time, they will be able to make their own choices. But meanwhile there needs to be an environment of learning, of peace, of awareness.
And I appreciated the King's move because sought to change the political chaos with the intellectual mass. It did not succeed, but I thought it was a good effort.

I am in favor of the people's movement also, but aware people. Let each one discover his voice.. then join a movement.. not to join a movement to find a voice... that is the gist of my message.

If you ask me, this so called people's voice will not last long.. it will either whither away, or will be replaced by staunch support for a particular faction.. and such segregation is counter productive to our solidarity movement. For that reason I am not happy with this
current direction of the masses, a direction that comes not of awareness, but of emotion or false sense of movement. Its like a rocking chair that keeps your moving but gets you nowhere.

Anyway, I still have hope and hope that at least some of your voices will resonate with mine.

Thats all folks.

WOBBLYWORM.


---MMS wrote:

> Hi WOBBLYWORM,
>
> The last 'jana andolan' was a fantastic event, challenging our assumptions
> to the core. There are many theories to explain what, why, how. MAny more
> will come over time. This thesis is an attempt to explain this historic
> occurence. In the end I think that this phenomenon is not unique to
> politics and that the learnings can be transferred to our own professional,
> community and family lives.
>
> Change in the populations' behaviors, attitude towards monarchy, forgetfulness of
> the wrongs done by the politicians, enigma behind the
> maobadi can be explained by the altering expectations of the people.
>
> Expectation is a very powerful force for right or wrong. All the four
> elements I listed above, shift in mentality of people, hatred towards
> monarchy, forgiveness of the parties, conspiracy theory about the maoists,
> are the effects of one single cause: evolving expectations. Again
> expectations is the effect of many factors. So what is expecations? It is
> both a cognition and a feeling stemming from desire. It is the belief that
> something must be recieved. It is the belief that one is owed, that one
> deserves something. In short, expectation is like condensed hope.
>
> During the Rana Regime, people expected only to be able to live, eat, work
> and the kings expected to have a life of luxury and excess. This was the
> fuel for the Rana's seize of power for 101 years. Then a book came out in
> the market with a very simple metaphor: the bird in a golden cage. Along
> side, some liberals Rana's gave education to the people. Education is like
> a virus. Its message spread. Slowly, the thought of what is life for and
> how much one deserves from the state, began to change. Just performing the
> basic rituals of life, indulging in the senses and staying blind to the
> madness of the rulers became unacceptable. Does this coincide with a growth
> in the physical brain or DNA, or is it just an addition of knowledge, is
> hard to say. But changes in perpection happened from one to two, to four,
> to 16, to 256 and suchwise exponentially. Was it a surprise the Rana regime
> fell? So this evidence adds one point to my thesis: dramatic change
> expectation is the driving force of all revolutions.
>
> Revolution is an abrupt change, the more abrupt the change in expectations,
> the bigger, faster, bloodier revolution. That is aggreable. But how about
> the change attitude and behavior othe people? Does it precede the
> revolution? Does it walk along the revolution or does it come after the
> revolution? I think in case of the last revolution in nepal, it began with
> a few part of the population before, then like a contagious disease consumed
> much of the remaining population and finally towards the end, it claimed
> everyone even the king.

> It is not about the king. It is neither about the politicians or maobadi.
> It is about the the expectation of people who want to have a life of peace.
> It is the expecation of people to have work, that pays more than to fulfil
> the basic needs. It is the expecation of people to be able to express their
> feelings, their opinions. It is the expecation of people not to be
>
> exploited, cheated or ignored. Such expectations could not be met by the
> king. The parties expertly molded themselves as humble representatives of
> the people rather than their rulers. Maobadis were a product of rising
> expectations, jealousy of the have's by the have-not's, frustration and a
> clever leadership. Before the mounting wave of the transformed expecations
> of the people, they too had to succumb. Too much credit, they dont'
> deserve. Peace and prosperity is the prime expectation of the people: this
> is what this 'jana andolan' proved.
>
> This revolution has taught us many lessons. Among them is that expectation
> is a powerful force. I thus urge you to examine your expectations. If you
> are running your own company, or if your supervising a group, or if you are
> the head of a family (small or big), please take note of this finding. Make
> sure you examine their expectations too, how they are changing, whether for
> good or bad, rise or fall. I call upon you to ride those waves of
> expectations and not try to stop them or smash them, for as we have seen, it
> is quite impossible.
> > MMS

more on "desh ko sthiti"

***
Dear Guys,
all of you must have noticesd the protests which began from April 6 in Kathmandu and across the country. It shows us how (un)popular the present king of Nepal is. I think a strong majority of people think our dear king's steps have totally failed to bring consensus and peace in this country. His post February 1 program has FAILED. The country itself is becoming a failed state.

Nepal needs new inclusive political setu p where democracy and fundamental rights are guaranteed. We nned to bury feudalism once and for all in this country. Feudalism, sycophancy, nepotism, corruption, mediocrity are some of the key problems afflicting Nepal at present.

Beleive me, the present royal government cannot solve these problems. Just forget that it can persuade Maoists to give up arms and join the mainstream. No military solution can bring end to the ongoing conflict. Root causes like poverty, over-centralization, unemployment, under educated masses have to be squarely dealt with.

Its not easy to hit the navil at one go but we alll can try to solve the problem if we are determined. Friends, South Asian economy is growing at the rate of 6-7 percent. But Nepal's growth rate was a pathetic 2 percent, according to ADB. Where is Nepal while the rest of the world moves up from the shackles of poverty. Just look at India and China.I am not asking you all to support the seven part alliance. It is your choice. You should give your trust and mandate to people whom you can trust. There are a lot of corrupt politicians who did absolutely nothing for the country between 1990-2002. But please don't blame democracy for it. It was the greedy individuals who are to blame. The best system is where people elect their leaders. No
autocracy whether it be monarchy or dictatorship can be a substitute for democrcacy.

Democracy has to be inclusive to address the problems of peoples of all walks of life including the backward, ethnic , dalits and the majority. It should be an equity based society. National wealth and economic opportunities should be fairly distributed to keep everyone happy. But communism advocated by Maoists and other communist parties would mean end to all freedom. Nepal needs foreign capital and investment to succeed. it has to attract investment the way China and India are doing. Nepal lacks domestic resources. Any new government should facilitate investment from abroad to such important sectors like water resources in order
to tap its benefits for the overall development of the country.So guys support democracy movement in Nepal. Let us all move towards enlightenment and freedom. Away with feudalism and backwardness.
PR (Wed, 12 Apr 2006)

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PR,
And who are the leaders we are opted for electing from. Supporting the current movement to me seems like bringing those rascals to power again and filling their pockets so that Nepal goes back another 10 years and 10 times poorer. Or is there any new movement you suggest of ?
Convince me that the 7party leaders (the obvious people whom we have to choosefrom in Democartic Nepal) have changed and they will perform better and I can support the current movement.

SP (Wed, 12 Apr 2006)

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Well spoken SP..

My views:
1. I believe in democracy but in order for democracy to work, we need candidates who have a feasible and progressive agenda for the country and the ability to execute the plans. Who are those candidates should be the question in our minds.

2. If we were to stand before a king, which of our heads would not bow down? The "king", as an institution, is a symbol of Nepali solidarity. The "king" is not our enemy. I still believe that the
king has the ability and the desire to modernize the politics as well as the leadership style in Nepal. Its good to know that the "people" are waking up, but the energy should be channeled towards resolution, not further conflict.

3. Maoist? who are they? what do they want? any ideas?

WOBBLYWORM (Wed, 12 Apr 2006)

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To me King is only a Guardian of the country.

If you and your siblings were fighting over the same seat in your living room......

what wrong would it be if your father took over that seat and putall of you aside...
what wrong would it be if he started locking you up, if you started burning the living room TV...
what wrong would it be if he disallowed all of you from the living room until you learnt to stay there together...
what wrong would it be if he beat you up because you brought in "Goonda"s to act against him

SP (Wed, 12 Apr 2006)

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Haha.. vivid imagination.. and interesting analogy too.

Well I see nothing wrong with the father. Its not the father or the seat that I'm worried about.. and neither am I worried about the fighting siblings.. Its the future of the children's children that
worry me.

WOBBLYWORM (Wed, 12 Apr 2006)


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take away the tv so the kids have nothing to fight about. just a stupid comment :) in all seriousness, hope the kids and the dad will find some way to work out a deal so that none of them sit on the seat and give it up for mom.

SS (13 Apr 2006)

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Who would be the Mom in Nepal's context?

SP (13 Apr 2006)

Re. : desh ko sthiti

This is what I received from the list:

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Bro ......

Nepal is another link in a chain of unstable countries encircling India.

RS


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:)

...

WOBBLYWORM, communism is a beautiful system of equality. I would never stopdreaming of living in such a society. The problem is in its reality.It funnels all power to a single man. "Almost" always. And then,"power corrupts".

I like your theory of royalty having to stay back. But the veryroyalty will be the greatest impediment to our development. The lureof power is far too enticing.

I agree, no matter what, for this country to "rise" up will take a lotof time. Until then, a lot of ppl will have corrupted themselves andpained the nation through their deceptive acts. But a system which atleast frees everyone to eat, shit and comment over how smelly the shitwas, is, in my opinion, the best amongst available choices.

Do not forget (you first made me notice sadism in children), a kidwhen he falls down on hard floor by himself does not show an ounce ofpain. Let the country be that child.

....

I want to live mylife now and if the king steps aside, the people have only two tofight, down from three.

SR

desh ko sthiti

hi guys...

attached is an email i wrote recently... i wanted to share with the solidarity email list..

pls pass comments.. and hav a wonderful new year BS 2063.

Best wishes,
WOBBLYWORM.

--- WOBBLYWORM wrote:
...
XYZ le bhane jastai loktantra ati-awasyak chha.. jaba samma janatale afai aware bhayera afno representative haru through desh chalaundaina.. taba samma desh ko halaat sudhrindaina. mero bicharma raja Gyanendra hamro desh lai ajhai chahinchha kinaki janata le ajhai bujheko chhaina.. aile raja Gyanendra le chhodyo bhane feri neta harule maan pari desh lutna thalchha.. baaru raja bhayo bhane desh lutindaina (raja ek janale matra khanchha compared to dherai lobhi politicians). I believe that a new generation of leaders is necessary.. purano netagiri dekhisakyo.. i dont think the pattern will change. janata le bujhnu parchha ki drastic change lyaunu parchha.. ra yo change lyauna only raja le sakchha.. kinabhane raja hamro sanskar ho ra hamro unnati ko sajilo direction ho. otherwise desh uthal puthal hunchha.. opportunists harule matra faida garchha.. haami jasto sojho janata bhenda haru jastai bali ma chadhinchha.

yasto ideal raja kahan painchha bhanera ta bhanna sakinna... but aileko laagi raja Gyanendra le nai yo position liyos jasto lagchha.. only raja can make the drastic change. maubadi problem pani raja le nai suljhauna sakchha jasto lagchha kinabhane aile ayera ko maubadi.. ko haina bhannai gahro bhaisakyo.. sabai ta Nepali dajubhai ho jasto lagchha.. yasto problem aru desh ma pani nabhayeko haina.. Thailand ma pani peacefully suljhiyeko thiyo.. this is a solvable problem and a smaller problem than political leaders in terms of solution.

in conclsion, desh ma tin wota problem chha, in order of priority, and with their solutions:
1. purano politics and leadership style hataunu parchha (raja ko haat ma chha)
2. janata aware hunu parchha (will take 20+ years)
3. maubadi problem (raja ko hath ma chha)

as an afterthought, janata jagaruk bhayeko ta nikai ramro ho.. but hamro target raja haina.. afnai lack of understanding ho.. I put the blame on the leadership styles, which must be eliminated by the King. as an intellectual, and as a well-wisher of Nepal, I wish to plead the "institution" of the King of Kingdom of Nepal to "modernize" the political environment of Nepal.

...

Best wishes, WOBBLYWORM

Email Contributions upto now

We will continue our solidarity movement through this blog. Upto now the correspondences have been as follows:

**** Thu, 17 Nov 2005
Brother ,
Whats makes nepali ? Being nepali is just not enough to be nepali .bye
RS

****Thu, 17 Nov 2005
Dear MMS,
Thank you for expanding the agenda. You are right that solidarity initself is not self-sustaining. It must have a purpose and from myunderstanding of your email, you have strived to do just that.
You have gone beyond the notion of Nepali solidarity and encapsulatedhumanity, which is wholly acceptable. However, my initial thoughtswere in the scope of Nepalis. Why only Nepalis? well, its because itslike a middle path.. for instance if I take me, my family andfriends.. solidarity can have minimal scope; on the other hand,humanity would entail a maximal scope. I suppose seeking solidarityof Nepalis is a middle ground, and which is applicable to all of usconcerned. There is specific, measurable, achievable,result-oriented, and, time-bound objectives that we can set forsolidarity for the maan, bachaan and karma.
My good friend SRR once told me about "sanskar" and "karma" andhe could expound on the theory once more. Related to his theory, itis my belief that each one must do his "karma", but my worry is thatwe are losing our "sanskar." My worry is not about wearing like anAmerican, eating like a russian, quarelling like an Indian, but myworry is about losing our Nepali identity, and which is substantiatedby problems like pride in modern consumerism that MMS has pointedout to us. I consider modern consumerism not as a vice in itself, butwhen it comes to the attitude of thinking westernism, oranti-nepali-ism, is better, then modern communism becomes perverse.And why or rather how did this attitude penetrate the minds ofNepalis? its becuase we lack solidarity.. we are taught to fight eachother for meagre benefits. There should be healthy competition, butthe bigger picture of being a Nepali should always be the foundationof our thoughts, words and actions.
RS said, "being Nepali is just not enough to be a Nepali." Its apoignant remark if you really think about it. It frees us from anyconventionality and closed boundary because being Nepali does notmean limitations on what you think and what you say or what you do orwhere you are or what you wear or what you eat. Being a Nepali isunderstand deep inside that we are Nepalis and we are proud to be aNepali and what we think, say or do will be guided by thisunderstanding.
When I was talking to my wife about this solidarity movement lastnight, she said to me people might say, "afu America gayera arulaichaatu guff diyo bhanla.." and she is right, there is that risk foreach of us, for those outside Nepal, and for those in Nepal (as areverse case). But whatever anyone says, I believe that lack ofsolidarity is the current problem in Nepal among Nepalis.
Please comment, expand, suggest... whatever. But please keep thesolidarity movement alive.
Best wishes,WOBBLYWORM.

--- MMS wrote:
> Hi WOBBLYWORM,
> > Refreshing mail! I can empathize your perpections. However life in Nepal
> is much different than how you are seeing it from outside. Slowly I am
> seeing no difference being a Nepali or an American: we all have desires and
> we strive to fulfill them, we all are helplessly driven by modern
> consumerism and we seem to have all become of one race: that of consumers.
> Mounting desires and unfulfilled expectations have given rise to corruption
and the Maoists, then to the royal coup of feb 1st 2005. You ask me what I
am ashamed of being? A consumer and a shameless component of the machinery
> of today's economy: the real mayajal.
> Then coming to your agenda of change: 1. discover the pride of a nepal 2. vow Nepali solidarity 3. work as a nepali
> I think that what we look for when staying overseas, is the heaven, that we
> sincerly hope lays somewhere we once belonged. Allow me to re-phrase your
> agenda then: 1. Discover the pride of being a human being devoid of towering
> ambitions, and bottomless desires. 2. Vow the solidarity of a state of loving, giving,
> enjoyment, learning, and selfless service. 3. Work as a true humanitarian, at
> least a real human and not like a machine of the global economy.
> Forgive if this is not what you wanted to read, but I felt guided thus to
> write to you this time. However, I encourage you keep thinking in that line
> and expressing yourself accordingly: this is the first step to becoming a
> true living breathing aware human being.
> MMS

Conception of Nepali solidarity

On 16/11/05, WOBBLYWORM wrote:
brother..i hope all is well with u and ur better half. today i am very worried.. nepal ko situation is going bad day by day.. and i feel that nepali haru rdisintegrating.. we need a solidarity movement to keep nepalis together.. tomake each nepali proud to b a nepali.. yahan i am seeing that ppl find pride in becoming an american.. becoming a westerner.. even to the extent ofindianization.. this is so sad because some day will come when nepalis willb ashamed to b a nepali.
i see the need to start a solidarity movement... a movement that will unite the nepalis.. a movement that will create a feeling of national pride.. amovement that will bring change to the minds, spirits and actions of allnepalis. this can only come about initially from the mind.. then the word.. and then action. agenda: 1. discover the pride of a nepali 2. vow Nepali solidarity 3. work as a nepali
seed discussion:
SOLIDARITY of NEPALI :: royalty, politician, ordinary citizen, non-resident nepali; bhote, newar, pakhe, madhise; jaagira, damai, kaami, pode; communist, congressi, maobadi;hindu, muslim, atheist; milliionaire, magaaante; thekedaar, khaate,industrialist -- we all are nepali. can we see the nepali in each of them? in spite of all the differences, can we learn to find a common ground? onlywhen we can, can we find solidarity among nepalis.
who am i is the question that each of us must ask each other.. because eachindividual makes us nepali. each one must decide who is my family, who is my friend, who is a nepali. because if we cannot decide who is nepali,eventually, we will not be able to decide who is friend, who is family andwho i am.each of us has a bright future.. a path, a direction... the path is our identity.. we are young. but as we grow older and we have found the end ofour path, we start to re-consider.. some find another direction, anotherpath.. some re-evaluate.. but the question remains.. who am i, where am i, why am i?
my solution is to start with an answer to the ultimate question: i am anepali. we are nepalis. and what i am, what i do, wherever i am, i am anepali. i appeal to all my fellow men and women.. let us join hands to find common ground and walk in solidarity. the socio-economic-political problemsthat we have in our country is not the problem, solidarity is the problem.let us individually understand this and be a nepali, think a nepali and work a nepali. Jai Nepal
Note: Please share ideas and opinions and let us start with the above agendaso that we can secure the Nepali future.

Best wishes, WOBBLYWORM.